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Files in Category:Hutchinson's story of the nations[edit]

UK copyright is 70 p.m.a. Hutchinson's Story of the Nations is a book by Walter Hutchinson, and enwp lists his death as 1950. The book is still in copyright, as are these extracted works unless there is proof that they had been previously published.

czar 03:33, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

But the website shows that Possible copyright status NOT_IN_COPYRIGHT. And they are painted by different painters.--Baddu676 (talk) 06:02, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep. Hutchinson is just a publisher, not the artist. For example, File:A Sale of Slaves in Babylon.png is a work by Edwin Long. In the UK publication right expires at the end of the period of 25 years from the end of the calendar year in which the work was first published. The 1st volume (history of Egypt, Babylon etc.) was published in 1914 (second edition was in 1920) so it's a {{PD-1923}}. Hausratte (talk) 10:31, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hutchinson is listed as the copyright holder of the volume when it was published czar 20:52, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's just a publication right, which has expired. Hausratte (talk) 08:28, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Who holds authorship rights then? czar 19:03, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
These artworks have been published more than 100 years ago (anyway, works from 1st volume dated 1914 year and containing the ancient history). They are free from any copyright now. Hausratte (talk) 22:51, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
 Delete Not so. 1914 is at least thirty years too recent to assume that the creator died before 1946. Unless someone can prove death dates for the creators of the works, these must be deleted. Note that Edwin Long died in 1891, so that one, at least, is OK..     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 12:12, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There is no any chance to prove death dates for the most of creators of these works, because they are anonymous and the original authors' actual identity was not publicly disclosed in connection with these images within 70 years following its publication. So their works should be licensed under {{PD-EU-no author disclosure}} and {{PD-anon-1923}}. Hausratte (talk) 13:47, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You say:

"There is no any chance to prove death dates for the most of creators of these works"

That may be correct, but it does not give us a reason to keep any these. We know that at least one of the contributors (Edwin Long) was not anonymous. In order to keep any of these, you will need to prove, one by one, which ones were actually anonymous, and not merely unknown to us, which ones are known and died before 1946, and which ones lived after 1945. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 10:42, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  1. Although the publisher has stated authorship for many paintings in this book (for example we can see words «painted specially for this work, by Walter Tyndale» below this image), we can see only words «painted specially for this work», without names, below 4 mentioned images. It means the publisher has made some of his painters-colleagues anonymous intentionally. There are no any credits neither at the beginning of the book nor in the end. It's not the fact that we do not know who are these images' authors – we can't know anything about them due to publisher's politics.
  2. {{PD-EU-no author disclosure}} says: «To use this template, the image must meet both of the following two conditions: published over 70 years ago, and the original author's actual identity was not publicly disclosed in connection with this image within 70 years following its publication». Published over 70 years ago? yes. The original author's actual identity was not publicly disclosed? yes, there is no any information about Hutchinson's creators in google search or google image search or google books.
  3. It can be also {{PD-UK-unknown}} because Hutchinson & Co. was an English book publisher. Like you said in this DR, «the photographer was not credited in the 1928 book, so he or she is certainly anonymous». I suppose it can be also applied to non-credited paintings in the 1914 book.

For those where I could independently (i.e. not using the Commons description or filename) verify authorship and the date of that author's death, I have:

There are probably a few keepers in the others, assuming the attributions were correct and I just couldn't verify them, but by and large for the others I would  weak delete. Storkk (talk) 17:15, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for doing this, @Storkk. I spot checked the above and it works for me if there are no objections. czar 15:48, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: some files but kept the ones that were highlighted by Hausratte and Storkk. Green Giant (talk) 01:55, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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